Hello all, If learners are interested in practicing non-traditional sabers (saberstaves, pikes or saber spears, etc.), can we use this with all of the normal forms? Or would the motions, attacks, etc. need to be more tailored toward these specific weapons? If it is the latter, it seems like we would have to go through the first forms with a more normal saber, then can eventually progress to the different types of weapons?
There is certainly a lot of conceptual overlap, but my guess would be that as soon as you get very exotic (say, a long pike type weapon) you will move away from the forms (as they currently exist) pretty fast. I seem to recall a raging debate in China during the late Ming as to whether you could properly train troops for spear combat by teaching them pole forms, and those weapons are in many ways somewhat similar. All of that said, Form I (Shii-cho) can be performed with the saber staff, and its not really all that different from the single saber variant. That might be the best place to start an exploration of exotic weapons. I am pretty sure that there are videos about that on the Youtube channel.
Thank you for the replay, benjudkins. I think your assessment makes a lot of sense. Once you have a weapon that functions fundamentally different from a standard lightsaber, you might be able to make similar moves in some ways, but not all ways. You will also want to take advantage of that exotic weapon's strengths (additional length for the pike, for example) and to try to mitigate its weaknesses (less maneuverability, etc.).
I did find a couple videos in the mean time where Master Nonymous introduces the longer-hilt weapons and how to use them, so that was fascinating. I'm not as much of a fan of the typical double-bladed lightsaber/saberstaff for many of the reasons he and Vornach have mentioned on other videos (leaves you vulnerable at the center, your range of motion and distance is reduced, etc.). But the longer saber hilt or the saber pike/spear (several Yari extensions with a single smaller blade on one end), or a saberstaff with a very long hilt and extremely short blade on each side (as shown in the first video I posted below) seem like they can be really effective. You would need to start using quarterstaff techniques in those cases, which might be able to be slightly adapted in each of the forms (maybe Ataru and Soresu would be most fitting for quarterstaff techniques? Not sure).
I still am interested to do this in the future (maybe a regular 10-12 inch lightsaber with a pike extension and a 32 inch blade), but for now, I should probably stick to a normal lightsaber hilt until I get comfortable with it.
Another response to my own question and for anyone else who is curious. Still going through all the TPLA live sessions and the first Forms Symposium addresses this a bit. It starts at about 2:03:00 in the video.
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Mar 2, 2019 4:38:59 GMT -5
Sabre: LIGHTSABER IS AN OFFICIAL SPORT IN FRANCE !!!
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Furiora Helseare: I know, was crazy for me to see as well, although I'm not a huge fan of the rules... honestly never liked "right of way" in fencing. If people score a double neither should count, you're both dead
Mar 2, 2019 13:57:27 GMT -5
Furiora Helseare: "right of way" doesn't exist in a real fight, I don't care if it's "your turn to attack" if I see an opening I can take, I'm taking it.
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Nero Attoru: Right of way has some roots in realism, since attacking is given priority (which makes sense given the fact that the attacker would theoretically strike a killing blow first)
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Nero Attoru: Regardless, epee is a weapon that most people forget, and doesn't use right of way! Two hits gives each fencer a point, reflecting the double kill.
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cyclingswitch: I get why they went with that system though. If you watch Saber Legion fighting instead, it becomes more akin to kendo. It's realistic fighting but it doesn't look like Star Wars anymore.
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cyclingswitch: In Saber Legion, moving your saber around more than you need to to thrust, parry or do a quick strike to the waist or head is basically giving away a point. At least that's what I've seen in the matches I've watched with their style.
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Colin the Grey: Hey guys, whenever someone can find the time to go over my second Shii-Cho formula primer submission, that'll be a huge help. My free time is going to go down hard in a month or so, and I'd like to make more progress in the meantime. Thanks!
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